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Worried about insuring a Ranger privately...

Hi there,

I found your article on commercial vehicles very helpful. I am looking to buy a Ford Ranger from a family member. It’s currently taxed and insured commercially, but I plan to buy it and change the tax to private and only then can I get an insurance quote. Can you please tell me a little about the process? I feel like I’m buying a little blindly since I can’t get an insurance quote until I tax the vehicle privately. I can’t tax it privately until I buy it.

Any help would be appreciated.

John

John Wedick (Wexford )

Feb 2021 Filed under: insurance

Expert answer

Hi John,

Yes, we’ve been hearing from more than a few readers that while taxing a commercial as a private vehicle is simple enough, getting insurance is another matter entirely. As ever, our first advice for any insurance query is to find a good broker who can help you out. In this specific case, as the car is coming from a family member, might it be worth asking them to tax it as a private car? They could simply then inform their existing insurer who may not even bother to raise their premium if the transaction is to take place soon. You could then approach other insurers with a pickup that’s already registered as a private car.


VAT situation on importing from UK?!

Probably done to death but I can't see anything concrete stated as I trawl the sites. All I can see is "you may be liable for VAT," but no clarity on what conditions will change that "may" to a "will". From the latest guidance I could find on Revenue's website for a private buyer buying used car (>6,000 miles) from a UK (VAT-registered) trader that I could see (snippet below) my understanding would be that I could buy from a UK dealer (a VAT-registered one) and import paying VRT (and the NOx levy) as normal but without any VAT liability.

I can't see clear guidance on import duties, but assume that 10 per cent is valid on entry. Any expert knowledge out there that can clarify why I'm (likely) wrong?

10.1 Purchase of second-hand vehicles by a private individual from a person in another country

Where a private individual purchases a second-hand vehicle from a VAT-registered trader, including a motor dealer, in another country

Where a private individual purchases a second-hand vehicle from a motor dealer or any VAT-registered trader in another country, the price will generally include any VAT or other tax chargeable in that country. This VAT cannot be reclaimed. There is no VAT liability in Ireland. In respect of VRT, the owner of the vehicle must make a booking with an NCTS Centre within 7 days of the vehicle entering the State and registration must be completed within 30 days of the vehicle entering the State. The VRT liability can be calculated using the VRT Calculator on the Revenue website.

John Scmidt (Dublin)

Feb 2021 Filed under: importing

Expert answer

Hi John,

In theory you might be right, and we suspect that there won’t be 100 per cent clarity on this issue until there have been further negotiations between the EU and the UK, or a case is tested in court. The problem is, of course, that with the UK now being a ’third country’ post-Brexit, you could possibly claim back the VAT from the UK authorities on the car’s exit from the UK. You’d most likely have to do that after you’ve paid your VRT and VAT in Ireland, and the paperwork would doubtless be monstrous.

Might be worth a try, though. 


Can I insure and tax a van privately in Ireland?

Can I insure and tax a van privately in Ireland?

Ann Byrnes (Ireland)

Jan 2021 Filed under: commercial vehicle

Expert answer

Hi Ann,

Taxing a van privately is easy. You just need to inform your local motor tax office that you are changing its use. You'll probably pay more in annual motor tax, as it goes by the engine size.

Insuring a commercial vehicle privately is not so easy, annoyingly. We advise you employ the services of a good broker to find you an insurer, as most of the large insurers will just give you the "computer says no" answer...

Give our Buying a commercial vehicle for private use feature a read too.


Is a crew-cab van taxed like an SUV now?

Are the crew cab vans now in the same bracket as the business edition SUVs? For example I’m looking at buying a crew cab Mercedes Vito Mixto. It has the seats in the back but it does has a separate compartment for the back of the van for carrying tools and goods etc. Do you know if this is true? Would the VRT rate not be in the commercial bracket and would it have to be classed as a private vehicle then with the higher rate of motor tax?

Paul Tynan (Kilcormac Offaly. )

Jan 2021 Filed under: taxation

Expert answer

Hi Paul,

In theory, all crew-cab vans fall into Category B for VRT purposes, which Revenue defines as: "commercial vehicles, designed and constructed for the carriage of goods and not exceeding 3.5 tonnes. These vehicles are European category N1 and generally have three seats or less. VRT Category B also includes motor caravans.”

In Category B, you’ll be charged 13.3 per cent of the OMSP, the Irish market selling price as defined by Revenue. There are some vans that fall into a slightly different category, and are charged a flat rate of €200, but these are vans that (a) always had less than four seats and (b) have at any time a laden mass greater than 130% of the mass in service. You should be able to find out which category your Vito fits into by quoting the VIN number when booking your VRT inspection.


Can I tax a 3.2 Ford Ranger privately?

Hi,

Is it possible to change how a 3.2-litre Ford Ranger is taxed from commercial to M1 private tax? I'm looking at buying one as its suits my hobbies a lot better then a car. Also, if it is possible, is it done with the old motor tax basis of assessment by engine capacity in cc?

Thanks

Luke Melia (Carrick On Shannon)

Jan 2021 Filed under: taxation

Expert answer

Hi Luke,

Yes, it is possible — you just need to ring up your local motor tax office and get them to switch you to the private car system. The downside is that, yes, you will be taxed on the engine capacity at that point, which, with a 3.2-litre Ranger is going to be top-whack — €1,809. You might be better off looking for a newer Ranger with the 2.2-litre engine, or the older Volkswagen Amarok, which had a 2.0-litre.

Take a read of our Buying a commercial vehicle for private use feature.


Can I privately insure a commercial pick-up?

Hi,

I am buying a brand new commercial vehicle (pickup style) for private use. I will be taxing it privately. I have rang three insurance companies and they will not quote me privately on the vehicle because it is listed as a commercial vehicle on their system. Is there an insurance company that specialises in this type of private insurance? If not, how do I insure the vehicle?

Dermott Cunningham (Dublin)

Jan 2021 Filed under: insurance

Expert answer

Hi Dermott,

Indeed, we’ve heard from more than a few readers about difficulties getting private insurance on a commercial. The first thing you need to do is to change the tax status of your pickup by phoning your nearest motor tax office, and ask them to transfer you to the private car taxation setting. That should help. The next thing to do is to get hold of a good insurance broker who can help you navigate through the sticky quicksand of Irish car insurance. There are no insurers who specialise, as far as we know, in commercial-to-private insurance


How about importing a van to make a camper?

What's the tax/VRT situation with buying a second hand van from the North and bringing it down south? I want to convert it to a camper and want to put Irish plates on it.

Thanks

James Moreton (Ennis)

Jan 2021 Filed under: importing

Expert answer

Hi James,

Basically, the situation is as before — as long as the van is older than six months old or has more than 6,000km on the clock, then you’ll pay the usual VRT at 13.3 per cent of the OMSP (the Irish market price as defined by Revenue). As it’s from the North, you’ll also avoid the ten per cent customs duty. Once you do get the camper conversion done, the good news is that motor tax for a camper is only €102 a year.


Post-Brexit, moving from the UK to Ireland...

Hi,

I arrived in Ireland from the UK on Jan 14 to live permanently. I bought a second hand Hyundai Santa Fe in the UK last June. So owned it now for seven months and I want to keep it. I was previously exempt from VRT/NOx tax, but has Brexit changed anything?

All my forms etc are with Revenue so am waiting to hear from them.

James Mortuin (Ennis)

Jan 2021 Filed under: importing

Expert answer

Hi James,

You SHOULD be able to bring your car in with you without paying VRT or VAT, as, according to Revenue: “You may be able to claim relief from Customs Duty and Value-Added Tax (VAT). This relief applies to imports of the following: bicycles and motor cycles, private cars, trailers, caravans, pleasure craft and private aeroplanes." VRT would be waived, normally, for a transfer of residence. You’ll need to have all your paperwork in order, and you can bet that Revenue will be checking carefully to make sure no-one is trying to pull a fast one, but you should be OK.


What costs to import a Hilux from the North?

If I import a used 2017 Hilux from Northern Ireland, what additional costs do I have? I want to insure and tax as private as my business doesn’t have a VAT number. Cost of Hilux without VAT is £20,000 approx.

Damien Byrne (Ennis)

Jan 2021 Filed under: importing

Expert answer

Hi Damien,

OK, as you don’t have a VAT number, you’ll have to pay the VAT on the Hilux at the time of purchase. But the good news is that, as you’re bringing it in from Northern Ireland, there won’t be any extra charges (no import duty and no Irish VAT) on top of the usual VRT payment. VRT will charged at 13.3 per cent of the Irish market value. That value should (emphasis on the should) be around €29,000, so VRT will be in the region of €3,900.


Having difficulty insuring a commercial Yeti...

Hi guys,

I was really interested to read your article on taxing and insuring commercial vehicles for private use. I drive a commercial Skoda Yeti (2.0-litre 4x4) that is registered commercially, but which I have taxed and insured privately. I have no VAT number so commercial tax and insurance is out of the question. Adding to this, I can only find one insurer to give me a policy. I was wondering if it's possible to re-register the car as a private vehicle that just happens to have no back seats. This was flagged as the reason insurers won't look at me (my driving history is squeaky clean). Any suggestions here would be great. I love the car and got a great price on it so I really dont want to sell it.

Conor Behan (Thomastown)

Jan 2021 Filed under: insurance

Expert answer

Hi Conor,

You say you’ve already taxed the Yeti privately, is that right? Once you’ve informed your local motor tax office of the change of status, that should be sufficient for any insurer. That said, Irish insurers will find any excuse in the book to either not quote you, or to give you some astronomical quote just to make you go away. Our advice is to find a good insurance broker who can help you navigate the ins and outs. 


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