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Should I buy a new Tesla Model 3?

Hi,

I’ve been doing a lot of research into buying a car lately, specifically would love a Tesla Model 3 - Standard range plus. I’ve been looking at price from GB compared to Ireland and it’s around €5k cheaper (around £38k v €48k). I also understand I would be in receipt of €5,000 SEAI grant, but I cannot seem to calculate the VRT.

1. Can I buy in the UK and ultimately would I save money doing so vs Ireland?

2. I live in Dublin and I get the DART to work everyday (roughy €100 per month). I also currently drive home roughy three nights per week to Monaghan (roughly costs me €325 in petrol and tolls). I have a free parking space in work. (Quicker to drive than DART to work) Would I be naive in thinking that I would almost eradicate all of that €425 with an EV? Aside from electricity costs, also what would you estimate those to be?

The alternative for me was to buy an 15/16 Audi A5 or BMW 4 Series in around the €20k mark, but still be subject to aforementioned €425 monthly costs on top.

Am I trying to convince myself that a Model 3 is my best option or is it my best option? NB: I want something that I actually want, i.e. I don’t want a Nissan Leaf; if I’m going EV it would be Tesla or equivalent.

Brendan Traynor (Dublin)

Jul 2019 Filed under: choosing new car

Expert answer

Hi Brendan,

We do love a bit of car-related man-maths around the CompleteCar.ie office. Yes, in theory, you could save that €425 per week travelling cost with a Tesla Model 3, once we make a couple of assumptions, and bearing in mind that a Model 3 is not free — a basic Standard Range Plus model is quoted at €625 per month in repayments on Tesla’s Irish website. With a claimed one-charge range of 409km, your theoretical Model 3 should be able to get from Dublin to Monaghan and back in one charge, with a little left over for safety (assuming it’s around 135km door-to-door). If you can charge at home and charge in Monaghan, then each full charge will cost you around €8-10, depending on your electricity tariff and how low the battery gets before you plug it in. That should put a significant dent in your travelling costs. It would also be helpful if you could charge up at work, but that’s more for ensuring you have a full charge in case you need it — the shorter intra-Dublin commute wouldn’t put much strain on your battery.

So, that’s all good. Buying in the UK, though? Not worth it. We ran the maths on this a while back and working off the base model prices — £38,500 in the UK and €48,900 here, a quick conversion at today’s rates shows that the equivalent Euro price of a new Tesla Model 3 would be €45,069. A saving? No — although the VRT would cost you nothing at the point of import (thanks to the €5,000 rebate), you would have to pay VAT on entry, as it’s a new car, and so the price would go up by €10,350. You’re better off buying local in this instance.

The only other caveat is of reliability. Now, a Tesla Model 3 SHOULD  be more reliable overall than a conventional petrol or diesel car, and require less maintenance, simply because it’s so simple. After all, an electric motor is really just one, large, moving part. However, it’s worth bearing in mind that Tesla has a currently poor-to-middling reputation for build quality and reliability, so bear in mind that you might need to cope with some glitches or the rear bumper flying off if you drive too quickly through standing water (this is seriously a reported issue with the Model 3).
As for the ’trying to convince yourself’ bit? Well, to be honest we’re all rather keen on the Model 3 around here too, so we wouldn’t take much convincing. 


My Passat's engine takes a while to start...

I run a 2015 VW Passat SE Business Diesel and every time I try to start it up it's like the engine will have to turn a few time before it runs; what is the reason and can it be sorted?

Daniele Fabi (Grantham )

Jul 2019 Filed under: servicing

Expert answer

Hi Daniele,

Lots of things can cause slow starting of a modern diesel engine, including issues with the fuel system or glow plugs, or indeed the battery. You'll need to get your car along to a good mechanic to have it checked over.


What's up with my Honda Civic's stop-start?

Hi, I recently got a new battery for my 141 D Honda Civic, but the auto stop function is not working correctly. I asked the installer and he said it is installed correctly and auto stop won't always work. Please clarify.

Kind regards, Kieran O'Brien.

Kieran O'Brien (Tallaght)

May 2019 Filed under: electrics

Expert answer

Hi Kieran,

We would expect most stop-start issues to be sorted by a new battery, but the installer is correct: auto stop won't always work. In fact, we get so many queries about the subject that we wrote this feature you may find of interest: Why won't my car's stop-start system work?


What's up with my stop-start feature?

Hi

Regarding the stop-start feature, I was told that I needed to recharge my battery by going on a 20-minute journey driving over 50mph. I have done two 125-mile journeys in the last month and it still is not working; this was done with no radio, heaters or devices charging. I was also told that engine will only stop start for so many times, and is there I a way of resetting this?

Clare Constable (NOTTINGHAM)

Mar 2019 Filed under: fault

Expert answer

Hi Clare,

Stop-start systems are a source of annoyance for a lot of people. We get so many queries about them that we wrote this feature you may want to read: Why won't my car's stop-start system work?

Saying all that, the point of a stop-start system is to reduce fuel consumption and emissions, so it's seriously pointless to go on a drive specifically to charge up the battery to make it work. It could be that your battery needs to be replaced completely.


Lots of issues with my Mercedes GLC...

In my Mercedes GLC, the stop/start system is not working. Also, the radio is cutting out and the reversing camera is not working after stopping and turning off the car on restart.

Any one else have these problems?

Richard Leddy (Mullagh County Cavan)

Feb 2019 Filed under: electrics

Expert answer

Hi Richard,

We've not come across any issues with the GLC, though most would still be under warranty. It sounds like an issue with the wiring loom or possibly even the battery. We recommend you bring the car to a good auto-electrician to have it checked over.


What's up with my Ford's stop-start system?

I have a 2017 Ford Escape. The auto start/stop functionality stopped working after Ford dealership regenerated the computer because the car would sporadically die at intersections. Now, when I have complained the auto start/stop functionality doesn't work they have provided me a list of 10 plus scenarios when the functionality will not work. If the engine is cold, too hot, if devices are plugged in, battery low etc. It seems like this is an excuse for a software bug that Ford doesn't want to address in older models.

Your opinion is welcomed

Beth Mills (Indianapolis)

Feb 2019 Filed under: fault

Expert answer

Hi Beth,

Stop-start systems from all car makers do indeed have a long list of situations in which they won't work. We get so many queries about it that we wrote a guide called Why won't my car's stop-start system work?

It's certainly preferable to have the stop-start system not working rather than the car cutting out when you don't want it to.


Are older hybrid cars proving reliable?

Hi,

Hybrid cars, like the ones that Toyota uses rather than plug-ins, have been around for quite some time now. Have you any information on the long term costs of owning a hybrid compared with petrol or diesel, eg, battery life span and replacement costs, longevity of electric motor, servicing costs, CVT transmission, etc?

Thanks

Philip

Philip Donegan (Ballina)

Feb 2019 Filed under: hybrid

Expert answer

Hi Philip,

Generally speaking, long-term hybrid reliability seems to be excellent. It probably helps that most hybrids that have been built and sold so far have been made by those paragons of reliability, Honda and Toyota. Both companies say that many of their older hybrid models — first generation Prius dating back to 1997, and Civic IMAs dating back to 2002 — are still on the road and in regular use. Indeed, Honda says that it has never had to replace a battery pack on models such as the post-2010 Insight or the little-seen Jazz Hybrid. Toyota says similar things about older Prius and Auris models, and points to the huge numbers of those cars being used on taxi fleets, racking up mega-miles with no major reliability issues to report. That’s likely helped by two things — electric motors are simple and therefore generally reliable, and most hybrid cars on the road at the moment use older-style nickel batteries, which aren’t as energy-dense as newer lithium-ion batteries, but which again are simple, rugged and reliable.

Even if you do need to eventually replace a battery pack, it’s not that expensive to do so — a second generation Prius pack change costs around €1,400 — not far off what you’d have to pay for a major engine rebuild or replacement, and you’re about as likely to need one. Basically, the advice is as for any second hand purchase — buy on condition, not mileage, make sure it has a full and complete service history and, if you have any concerns in the longer term, consider taking out a second-hand warranty programme.


Which battery has the 2016 Renault Zoe?

Does a 2016 Renault Zoe Dynamique Nav R90 have a 40kW battery or the old 23kW one?

Alma Haughey (Dundalk)

Feb 2019 Filed under: electric cars

Expert answer

Hi Alma,

It’s most likely to be the 23kW battery, as the Zoe 4.0 was only launched at the very end of 2016 and, Irish car sales being what they are, few if any would have been sold before January 2017. If you need confirmation, check the VIN number with a Renault dealer and they will be able to tell you more precisely. 


What's up with my Vitara's stop-start system?

Why does the stop-start system need reprogramming if it stops working? I have a 2016 Suzuki Vitara.

Thank you

Roy Schuster (BRIDPORT)

Jan 2019 Filed under: electrics

Expert answer

Hi Roy, 

That's not something we've come across, I'm afraid. There can be many simple reasons for a stop-start system to not work (see our popular feature on that subject here), but usually they are temporary. I guess if your battery was replaced, there may be some additional reprogramming required, but that wouldn't be standard on all cars.

If someone has told you that this is necessary, make sure you get a second opinion from another garage, preferably an official Suzuki service outlet. And if Suzuki told you that, then ask for a little explanation.

We'd be interested in the answer if you want to pop a comment in below this at a later stage.


I'm having issues with my stop-start system...

My stop-start stops working for about a week or more, then starts working again each time the car stops. Why is this? Should I get it looked at?

Anne McIntyre (Liverpool)

Dec 2018 Filed under: fault

Expert answer

Hi Anne,

There are loads of different reasons why a stop-start system won't work as you might expect it to. Most of the time it's down to the condition of the battery or the drain on it, though it could be due to the ambient temperature, too. Here are a couple of items on the site to read through before you consider having the car looked at:

Why won't my car's stop-start system work?

Why does my stop-start not always work?