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Are our Citroen repair bills reasonable?

Dear all,

I bought a 2006 Citroen C3 two years ago (paid €5.6K, one owner, low mileage) and noticed recently that it was slipping out of gear when in first. Having had the garage look at it, they said the gearbox would need to be replaced fully (costing approx €1,000). It is also leaking coolant and needs the head gasket replaced. Total estimated bill approx €1,500-2,000. Is this reasonable? Are we right to be annoyed as the car has only 64,000km on it?

Thanks in advance

Maria in Cork

Maria V

Feb 2013 Filed under: repair

Expert answer

Hi Maria,

I understand it can be very frustrating to be hit with such high bills unexpectedly with a car with such low mileage on it. 

Those are two very expensive jobs to do in any car and the estimates don't sound unreasonable to me, assuming they include parts and labour. For your information, the head gasket can take up to seven hours to do, while the gearbox replacement could take about four hours.

If the car is outside warranty then you really can't do much about it other than pay the bill. Obviously you should shop around to a few garages for the price, though.

One last thing to maybe mention to the garage, though I'd hope they checked already, but the gearboxes in the C3 are known to break a bolt on their selector, which is a tiny thing to fix in comparison to replacing the whole gearbox...

Best of luck


Diesel Mégane, Focus or Citroen C4?

I have €9,000 to spend on a used car. What's the best out of these three diesels to buy? A Renault Mégane, Ford Focus or Citroen C4. Some Méganes seem to be six-speed so which would be more economical and reliable?

Tommy Fallon (Leinster)

Jan 2013 Filed under: choosing used car

Expert answer

Hi Tommy,

First up, gearboxes: a six-speed gearbox in a given car usually means it is officially more economical than it would be if it had a five-speed gearbox, but that really will depend on the type of roads it's driven on and the driver's own style. It's not correct to say that a six-speed Renault, for example, is automatically more economical than a five-speed Ford though, as there are many more factors to consider. Best to look at the official combined consumption figures as a gauge - even though they're not usually achievable in the real world they are a good measure of one car against another.

A quick search on Carzone.ie reveals that your budget may get you into a 2009 Ford Focus 1.6 TDCi. There are plenty of different trim levels and 90- or 110hp derivatives available so take a close look at the specifications, history and mileage. Most of those are now in Band A4 with emissions of less than 120g/km and fuel consumption as low as 4.3 litres/100km (65.7mpg).

In terms of Golfs, it looks like you'd be lucky to get a 2008 version (the old one) for that same money, which means it'd have to be a 1.9- or 2.0-litre TDI engine. These cost more to tax (especially if you go pre-2008) and are a little less econonomical than the Focus above.

There don't seem to be many Renault Méganes fitting your description and budget, though a look elsewhere reveals that you may find a 2010 version at this price powered by the 1.5-litre dCi engine. This came in 86- and 110hp guises. The former is virtually as economical as the Focus and the latter only uses a little more fuel.

Finally, the Citroen C4: in terms of economy, the 2008 1.6 HDi 92hp engine is up there with the Focus etc, though there are more powerful versions available too.

In summary, if fuel economy is your priority then it's probably best to stay away from the older Golf, with its larger engine. The others are all very close and so it comes down to personal preference. We'd go for the Focus, not least because of the much wider choice of examples on the used market.

Come back to us if you need more assistance narrowing your search.


How reliable is the Citroen C5 HDi diesel?

Is the Citroen C5 diesel 1.6 HDi a reliable car? At what km should it have its timing belt changed?

Thanks

Ceppie Martin (Dublin)

Jan 2013 Filed under: reliability

Expert answer

Hi Ceppie,

We're assuming you mean the model replaced in 2008, as the older version was very unreliable. The newer car has not so far been plagued with the same electrical and suspension issues, but of course get any model you're considering checked out in detail.

The 1.6 HDi diesel engine's timing belt should be changed every 240,000 kilometres according to Citroen, though we'd recommend doing it earlier.

Hope that helps


Can you help me find a diesel family car for up to €11,000?

Looking to buy a diesel family car in the same category as the Ford Mondeo and Citroen C5. What would you suggest for a budget of about €11,000?

Tommy Fallon (Leinster)

Jan 2013 Filed under: choosing used car

Expert answer

Hi Tommy,

First of all a quick list of possibilities we found on Carzone.ie that we would consider wise buys:

- Audi A4 - Good to drive and plenty about, though you'd have to look at 2005 - 2007 within your budget. Not all that spacious either.

- Audi A6 - Hugely spacious and comfortable, but again you'd have to settle for an older car with higher mileage, which could bring unexpected costs.

- BMW 3 Series - Most examples at this price are 2005-2007. Economical diesels and great to drive, but we'd worry about potential bills - and not as spacious as non-premium brands.

- BMW 5 Series - We'd be sorely tempted by this 2005-2007 model as it's such a great car. Seek out a low mileage example with a full service history and a warranty though.

- Citroen C5 - Comfy big car with decent specification and well-proven diesel engines. Not a huge number on the market, though at least you could afford a 2008 car.

- Ford Mondeo - One of the default options here. It's big, comfortable, good to drive and there are loads and loads about. Relatively cheap and easy to maintain too.

- Honda Accord - Relatively unknown here, but the 2.2-litre diesel engine is a gem and the car is very reliable and comfortable. Look for a post-2008 one to keep your tax bill down.

- Mazda6 - This is probably the car we'd put our own money on. Go for a post-2008 diesel example in a decent specification. It's spacious, well-equipped and great to drive. Reliable too.

- Toyota Avensis - Your budget might get you one of the last of the old models from 2009, though taxi drivers tend to snap these up as well. Make sure you check the history and mileage with Cartell.ie.

- Volkswagen Passat - Plenty about and it's a spacious and comfortable car, but there have been a few niggles with the electrics that'd steer us elsewhere.

There you have it. Come back to us if you'd like more help narrowing down your search.


My Citroen's heater isn't working...

Hi,

I have just bought a 2004 Citroen C5 and the heater blower does not work; is this a common problem?

Patrick Hehir (Kilmihil)

Jan 2013 Filed under: electrics

Expert answer

Hi Patrick,

It's not a widespread issue for the Citroen C5, but any car of that age could develop such issues. It may, if you're lucky, be just a fuse. Check fuse F11 in the engine bay fuse box for starters before you bring the car to a mechanic to fix.


Most efficient MPVs on the market?

What is the best MPV for tax and fuel efficiency?

Brian McEntee (Kilmihil)

Jan 2013 Filed under: fuel economy and emissions

Expert answer

Hi Brian,

It depends where you’re doing most of your driving. The Toyota Prius+ has CO2 emissions of just 106g/km, and can get 60mpg if driven very, very gently, but it’ll be way too thirsty if you’re doing lots of motorway miles. The best diesel-engined MPVs are probably the 1.6 TDI VW Touran, the 1.6 HDi Citroen C3 Picasso, or the 1.5 dCi Renault Scenic.


Which is best seven-seat to use as a taxi?

Which is best seven-seat vehicle to use as a taxi?

Thomas Murtagh (Dublin)

Jan 2013 Filed under: taxi

Expert answer

Hi Thomas,

Given the space and utility requirements of taxi work, and the need for things such as disabled access ramps, you’re probably best off with a converted van, such as the Citroen Dispatch, or the VW Caddy. 


Thoughts on 2005 Citroen C5 diesel?

Considering 2005 Citroen C5 1.6 diesel; what is your opinion on this car?

Mairead Baker (Dublin)

Jan 2013 Filed under: choosing used car

Expert answer

Hi Mairead,

That’s the 1.6 diesel that’s in almost everything; from Citroens and Peugeots to MINIs, Fords, Volvos and Mazdas. As such, it’s a pretty reliable engine, as long as it’s been properly serviced and fed a regular diet of high-grade synthetic oil. Keep an eye on the fragile water pumps and exhaust gas recirculation valves, though.

As for the rest of the car, tread carefully. That was the last Citroen to come with the legendary Hydragas suspension system as standard, and while that’s terrific from a point of view of comfort, it is a complex and often fragile system. Ditto the C5’s complex electrical system. Make sure it has a full and complete service history and, if there are any gaps or if the overall condition is anything less than excellent, walk away.


What fun car will I replace my Honda Civic with?

I have an 08 2.2 Honda Civic and want to change soon. Budget is €17/18k including trade-in value. Any ideas on what to get? Have seen 2010 Citroen DS3 with extras (nav, leather, etc.) for €17k. Like that it's not the norm e.g. Focus or Golf. Would it be a good buy?

David Lacey (Tipperary)

Jul 2012 Filed under: choosing used car

Expert answer

Hi David,

We really like the DS3. It's great to drive and certainly different to the norm. I assume practicality and space in the rear are not a priority, as the Citroen is lacking in those departments.

Going with that, an alternative is the Volkswagen Scirocco. It's great to drive, of even higher quality than the DS3 (which is quite good by the way) and a sure thing when it comes to resale values. Saying that, they're relatively scarce at your price point and the DS3 you've found has more equipment.

Other more interesting cars available at that price that we'd recommend include the Audi A5 Coupé and BMW 320d Coupé.

Come back to us if these are wide of the mark and you'd rather stick to a regular hatchback shape.


Which manual, diesel 4x4s are good?

What is the best type of 4x4 with a manual transmission and diesel engine?

Aidan Kelly (Kildare)

Jun 2012 Filed under: choosing used car

Expert answer

Hi Aidan,

Without knowing your budget and what your needs with regards to towing etc. are it's difficult to give a precise answer, but as a starting point, and in alphabetical order:

None of Audi's Q models are really suited to heavy off-road work, though the Q5 and Q7 are fine towing machines. Not that you'll find a Q7 with a manual gearbox.

Same story with BMW's X models. Fine for towing. You'll have to seek out an older X5 if you want a manual transmission though.

Citroen C-Crosser, Ford Kuga, Honda CR-V, Hyundai ix35: fine road cars.

Hyundai Santa Fe: depending on age and spec can be quite good off-road and as a tow car.

Hyundai Terracan: horrible beast of a thing, but it is big...

Hyundai Tucson: more car-like than most 4x4s.

Isuzu Trooper: hard as nails, durable workhorse.

Jeep Cherokee: good workhorse, but raucous on the road.

Jeep Compass: really not that great on the road despite its 'crossover' image.

Jeep Grand Cherokee: surprisingly good depending on age.

Jeep Patriot: a Compass with more upright bodywork...

Jeep Wrangler: tough, great off-road, but not so good on it.

Kia Sorento: first generation a tough tow car; latest more road-biased.

Kia Sportage: fine road car - especially the latest one.

Land Rover Defender: same comments as Jeep Wrangler above.

Land Rover Discovery: one of the very best all-rounders - newer versions way better.

Land Rover Freelander: good mix of on-road behaviour with all-road ability, but others at price better.

Range Rover line-up: luxurious regular model not bad off-road, Sport great to drive on-road and Evoque not really a 4x4 despite the badge.

Mazda CX-5: new SUV in the crossover mould - lovely on the road, where it should stay.

Mercedes-Benz M-Class: see BMW X5 comments.

Mitsubishi ASX/Outlander: very much road cars.

Mitsubishi L200/Pajero/Shogun: durable, strong, tough, but also rough and unrefined - proper 4x4 system though.

Nissan Navara/Pathfinder: see L200 etc. above...

Nissan Qashqai: a road car, even in 4x4 guise.

Nissan Terrano: old-school 4x4.

Nissan X-Trail: pretty good mix of attributes.

Opel Antara: road car - and not a good one.

Peugeot 4007, Renault Koleos, Skoda Yeti: just road cars.

SsangYong Actyon/Kyron/Rexton: rough and ready tow machines.

Subaru Forester: more a road car, though later one pretty good.

Subaru Outback/XV: road cars - nice ones.

Suzuki Grand Vitara: not bad as an all-rounder - relatively cheap and cheerful.

Suzuki SX4: car with 4x4 mechanicals.

Toyota Hilux/Land Cruiser: enviable reputation for toughness and reliability, though not very civilised.

Toyota RAV4: good road car, ok tow car.

Volkswagen Amarok: good all-rounder, though just a pick-up.

Volkswagen Tiguan: lovely road car, but most models so-so off-road.

Volkswagen Touareg: high quality car that's a good all-rounder.

Volvo XC60/XC90: good road cars - not for off-road.

So come back to us with more details and we'll talk you through a purchase.


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